1964 rear view mirror

[crowncentral]

Ive got a 1964 LCC. I read some other posts that make it quite clear 1964 had the rocker day/night style mirror. However, mine does not. The car was made in the middle of November. So, what do you think? Is this a replacement or original? It's in pretty bad shape. I want to replace it. Should I go with the rocker?

[Dan Szwarc]

You can get these mirrors from any of the usual suspects or try to shop around the Mustang/Thunderbird shops for the best price.

[toddallen]

I believe this the correct type for your car, the earlier ones had the rocker style.

[linc64]

It may be that both styles were used in '64, but all I've ever seen in my many trips to the junk yards were the rocker style. The authenticity manual says only the rocker style was used in '64, but of course it isn't always accurate. You probably wouldn't get dinged at a show for the twist type, but both styles are available at the usual suspects. Go with what you like best.

[AlT63bird]

I would suspect that the twist-style was given a '64 or '65 part number, but what about the rocker-style? Has anyone traced back the engineering and/or P&A part numbers for the interior rear view mirrors, i.e. 17700 or 18400? I assume there is a difference in the numbers between the rocker- and twist-style mirrors, either in the prefix for the year or in the suffix, which would mean tracking down when the rocker-style number was superseded in OSI catalogs from the period and if it was give a service replacement or 'superseded by' designation. Is there allowance in the judging standards for acceptable replacement/service replacement parts?

[Dan Szwarc]

I would suspect that the twist-style was given a '64 or '65 part number, but what about the rocker-style? Has anyone traced back the engineering and/or P&A part numbers for the interior rear view mirrors, i.e. 17700 or 18400? I assume there is a difference in the numbers between the rocker- and twist-style mirrors, either in the prefix for the year or in the suffix, which would mean tracking down when the rocker-style number was superseded in OSI catalogs from the period and if it was give a service replacement or 'superseded by' designation.

The only PN in the 60-64 catalog is C1SZ-17700-A and it says "Nite and Day" and it is for 1964 ONLY.
PN C1SZ-17700-B is for 61 to 63.

The 65-72 catalog says C1SZ-17700-D is for 65 and 66 Lincolns and C7AZ-1770-G1A is for 67 only (This is a FORD mirror).

So twisty is not correct based on the MPC.

Is there allowance in the judging standards for acceptable replacement/service replacement parts?

Not for this if they are available.

[LithiumCobalt]

The only PN in the 60-64 catalog is C1SZ-17700-A and it says "Nite and Day" and it is for 1964 ONLY.
PN C1SZ-17700-B is for 61 to 63.

How in the world does the 61-63 mirror have a revision designation of "B" and the '64 mirror have an "A"? Seems kind of weird and/or backwards. Unless I just don't understand how the Ford part numbering scheme works (which is very possible, by the way)

[Suicide65]

The twisting "day/nite" mirror is for a '65, the rocker type is for '64. Looks like you have a '65 mirror.

[TonyC]

Regardless, it doesn't look to be in that bad a shape! The glass looks like new! If anything, you should have it polished. If it's floppy, the Usual Suspects sell replacement 2-piece stems.

---Tony

[crowncentral]

Your right Tony. It could be much worse. It does function properly

[Dan Szwarc]

The only PN in the 60-64 catalog is C1SZ-17700-A and it says "Nite and Day" and it is for 1964 ONLY.
PN C1SZ-17700-B is for 61 to 63.

How in the world does the 61-63 mirror have a revision designation of "B" and the '64 mirror have an "A"? Seems kind of weird and/or backwards. Unless I just don't understand how the Ford part numbering scheme works (which is very possible, by the way)

Easy. They switched in 64 to a mirror used on a different car (a Ford, most likely) in 1964 that was one of four designs in 1961.

[AlT63bird]

Tracking down those the two P&A numbers Dan gave is actually on my agenda of research items for the authenticity manuals I help edit for VTCI. Both numbers are for the T-Bird (C=1961, 1=1961, S=T-bird); the -A version I would expect to be the rocker-style with a ball-type mount that relies on the two-piece arm to mount it to the ball mount that's glued to the windshield. I would have thought, though, that the twist-style with a ball mount would have had a C4SZ- or C5SZ- number versus exending the '61 number, since it was introduced during the '64 model year ('61-'63 'Birds all used the rocker-style mirror with the ball mount). It'll be a while before I dig out the OSI catalogs along with my '61-'63 and '64-'65 L-M Body/Chassis Catalogs and try to track down when the C1SZ-B version first appeared and superseded or merged with the C1SZ-A version.

One thing that was pointed out to me is that the two-piece arm shown in the picture above has a 'pinched waist' which gives it away as an original-style arm; reproductions out there today do not have the narrowed center.

[Highlander64]

My 1964 built in Jan 1964 for Feb 1964 delivery has the rocker style.

[crowncentral]

Anyone else have a 64 with the twisty they think might be original?