My car has the wrong build sheet !

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I would suggest the seat have been switched out. And you may never find out the reason why 3 different build sheets

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The rear (Red) seat of my '61 T-Bird convertible had the build sheet of a '61 Lincoln sedan, Sultana White with Black Cloth/Leather! How about that? I did find the correct one for the car though under the same seat and my friends '63 sedan also had an incorrect sheet of another '63 sedan. These were always factory mix ups, not necessarily errors as long as the seat color and pattern matched the serial no of the car but finding a Lincoln build sheet inside a T-bird seat is probably the mother of all mix ups.
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Indeed! But it's still understandable, being that both cars were built in the same plant with the same equipment.

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Marti report has a Q&A section on their web page, which touches upon this subject, which I was reading a week ago or so. I didn't put a link because I'm really bad at this computer stuff.
I'm not an expert, but I believe every sub assembly had a build sheet for stock control, they only built seats to fill orders. Once it left that department, the paper became un needed, a red seat is a red seat to the line worker.
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LithiumCobalt wrote:Original Ford records were destroyed in the Rotunda fire for anything earlier than either ‘66 or ‘67 for Lincolns.
The Rotunda fire was on November 9, 1962. I suspect the '61 production run and prior's gate releases were stored at the Rotunda at that time, which explains why '58-'61 T-bird and Lincoln invoices are rarely, if ever seen. Ford simply didn't keep the invoices after the requisite waiting period, so off to the dumpster they went. The story's been pretty well told how the late '55-'57 and '62-'66 T-bird gate releases/invoices were saved by Lois Eminger when they were scheduled to be disposed of (too bad the people she had go through the '62-'63 T-bird invoices in the mid-'70s decided hardtops and Landaus weren't worthy of being saved). If someone would have had the interest in doing the same thing with Lincoln gate releases back then, imagine what info could have been gleaned from them.
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AlT63bird wrote:
The story's been pretty well told how the late '55-'57 and '62-'66 T-bird gate releases/invoices were saved by Lois Eminger when they were scheduled to be disposed of (too bad the people she had go through the '62-'63 T-bird invoices in the mid-'70s decided hardtops and Landaus weren't worthy of being saved). If someone would have had the interest in doing the same thing with Lincoln gate releases back then, imagine what info could have been gleaned from them.
And Lois's effort ended up in Arizona.
See second to last paragraph.
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BTW there was a fire. That is why pre-67 records are not available until some years back. However the fire was not the Rotunda fire.

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Sad those invoices were disposed off/lost, would have loved to have gotten them for my cars.
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Here's some interesting info I found on the T-Bird VTCI Forum regarding ROT sheets:

"In 2003 the VTCI held their International Convention in Dearborn in conjunction with Ford's 100th Anniversary at that time 6 workers from the assembly line of the day attended one of the dinners and we could ask them questions, someone asked about the extra ROT sheets and the reply was that once the car had moved on from their position they needed to throw the paper away so a lot of times the car became the garbage can".

Also in the same post someone with a '63 T-Bird hardtop found a Lincoln ROT sheet under the seat, along with 2 other T-Bird ROT's, one for his car one for another, so I guess finding a Lincoln ROT in a T-Bird or vice versa was not that uncommon.

Speaking of which, is there any way to decide the numbers on the ROT?
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Even with the earlier models, if you have the build sheet originals, the Benson Ford library, or Marti can probably decode them, for a fee, but the information they hold may be of little use anyway, it will mostly just reproduce what is already on the warranty plate. The ROT tells what springs and shocks etc. were used, but Lincolns in your years had few options that would show up, that you don't already know about.
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Several manufacturers had fires or other issues in the 60s that they blame for loosing info. It's the people with the foresight to save this stuff that deserve the real thanks.
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Please, please, if you have build sheets that don't match your car's VIN, register their VINs at www.thelincolnregistry.com. Some owners may be looking for them and it helps to built the collective documented history of these cars. Thank you!
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Can one do that even if they don't own the actual car?
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Yes, mjabbasi, you can add any legitimate VIN. There is a field in the record that asks if you are the owner of the car or someone who is contributing information. If you have a photo of the build sheet and/or car, you can (and should) add it. There's a space for comments, so you can write something like "found this build sheet under the back seat of a car with a different VIN," that sort of thing.
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Dave;
I see my 67 is in your file already, probably through L.C.O.C. Country is wrong.
I tried to add my parts cars, but can't without E-Mail. Will try again when I get that working. If I add ownership dates, and other info, will that be visible to future searchers? Nice to preserve what little I do Know about it.
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