Lincoln Statistics spreadsheet

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Re: Lincoln Statistics spreadsheet

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Auto literature including catalogs and product facts books is typically (almost entirely) printed in August. For example my 1976 Salesmen's Product Information book was printed on August 15 1975. In my large collection I have a few revised or update catalogs - these usually came out in January, with corrections or changed specs. Sometimes a paper insert was added with revisions rather than a change to the original print.
Catalogs DO contain errors! For example the early 80s big Cadillacs were sometimes listed as 75.4" wide when they are in fact 76.4". Such errors are detected from looking at other similar car literature and from literature of similar earlier or later models where bodies are the same.
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Dermot wrote:I have the 1975, 1976, and 1977 (early and late production) dealer product facts books with all the data and also the full set of 1977 manuals on CD Rom. Happy to translate VINs and door tags! Mart just gives you the buck and actual build dates, which are up to a few days here or there from the door tag dates (which were the scheduled production dates). The rest is just straight from the manual. You waste your money.
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Anyway, I checked a brochure that has what appears to be a date code of 1-72 and I am finding discrepancies. I'm pulling all my uploads as they are useless.

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I was reading the production numbers on the Lovefords.com site and noticed four pillarless hardtops were produced in 1961 with the body designation 57C. This is also supported by the Hollander Interchange Manual. Have any of these OEM hardtops ever turned up? Should they appear on the sheet or were those concepts? Or has this been covered previously?

I went through the thread and didn't find mention of it and for some reason cannot find the link to the sheet.
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[quote

Anyway, I checked a brochure that has what appears to be a date code of 1-72 and I am finding discrepancies. I'm pulling all my uploads as they are useless.

Moral: Don't do something unless you are 200% sure that you have all the data. Oh well, live and learn.[/quote]

I'd rate the data in dealer product fact books ahead of that in catalogs as its far more comprehensive for one thing.
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Replaced 62 conv production number from 2312 to 3212 that seem to be the right one.
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This thread should probably be in the documentation library, but since it is a compilation from other sources, I'm not so sure.
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After some thought I decided to upload again. I used stats from my Continental Product Data Book only. The product codes for the engine, axle and transmission came from my service manuals dated Oct 1971. It includes Jamu's update as well.

I have a copy of 50 Years of American Automobiles 1939-1989 by the Auto Editors of Consumer Guide. I noticed that all the stats for production numbers, weights and prices are the same in the file except for a few prices for late 70's models. Since that source or one similar is acceptable I filled in the production numbers for 77 and 79 sedans and coupes. I did not change the prices.

I centered the text, added some space in each cell and evened the columns to make things easier to read. I also changed the title to better reflect the contents. I figure at least that is better than nothing.
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We really need to have a Wikipedia-way of citing sources for numbers.
There will be conflicting numbers from different sources.

A lot of mine have come from published books about lincolns. They could easily be wrong, have typos, etc.
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Dan Szwarc wrote:We really need to have a Wikipedia-way of citing sources for numbers.
There will be conflicting numbers from different sources.

A lot of mine have come from published books about lincolns. They could easily be wrong, have typos, etc.
That's a good idea. What about using the extra empty cells after assembly plant with similarly named columns. Or maybe alternate. Five columns show stats, the second five show the sources of those stats, next five show more stats, etc. Than again the simple foot note system might work if you could stick it into a spreadsheet.

What are good primary sources?
What should be ignored?
Which is better, a stat from a magazine or coffee table encyclopedia or an empty cell?
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Dan Szwarc wrote:We really need to have a Wikipedia-way of citing sources for numbers.
There will be conflicting numbers from different sources.

A lot of mine have come from published books about lincolns. They could easily be wrong, have typos, etc.
So many books are shockers - crappy effort from the writers who check NOTHING and from lazy editors. I don't trust books. I trust factory material first.
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I read my 75 and 76 product facts books and made a discovery about the level of error in manufacturer's sources and also have a suggestion to make.
Dimensions sometimes randomly varied from one year to the next even though no change was made to the cars. Refer the specs below for front hip room:

1970 Continental 58.3 (catalog)
1971 Continental 62.3 (catalog)
1972 Continental 62.3 (catalog)
1973 Continental 62.3 (catalog)
1974 Continental 62.3 (catalog)
1975 Continental 61.4 (product facts book)
1976 Continental 56.5 (product facts book)
1977 pre March '77 Continental 56.5 (catalog)
1977 post March '77 Continental 56.0 (catalog)
1978 Continental 56.5 (catalog)
1979 Continental 56.0 (catalog)

For say 1975, there are 4 - not 1 - weights that ought to be listed. One listing means little. These would be Continental 2-DR, Continental 4-DR, Town Coupe, and Town Car. Perhaps have 4 columns for weight. Some years there will only be Convertible and Sedan, others 3 or 4 models to list.
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I updated the speeadsheet with some stats from http://automotivemileposts.com/contentslincoln.shtml.

Unfortunately, he doesn't have details for 1975 to 1979.
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Great list, but there are some misstakes in there. From MY73 the weight is wrong for every Lincoln Continental modelyear (can't check the 72's).

E.g. the size for the 77 Coupe/Sedan is 5033/5077lbs.
For the 78 (49-States) its 4851/4850lbs and 79 Contis its 4843/4846lbs.

Source: The original sales brochures on oldcarbrochures.com
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I thought I crossed the weights with automotivemileposts.com, but I'll check it to the brochure site.
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for 72 it looks about right give or take a few pounds. at least for the 4 door sedan.

I still have to find the tame and a scale to weigh Lorelei, because i know the weights are not always spot on. But 5100 is about right.
The prices might be a bit low. I have the Eminger report and the suggested retail for no option sedan is 7419 (actual factory price 5860)

Loreleis base price was the 7419 and with options came to 8271.45
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