OH CRAP!!! Another Newbie!!!

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Head liner going up. Ran into little snag today. Next up is window tint so went to schedule our tint guy that we have used for over 10 years and his shop was closed. We need to find out if he moved or is out of business. DAMN!!!!! :doh: Also have a question for input. When my interior guy removed the old headliner, it was stapled to a wood trim put around the interior. He thought this strange since we had purchased several feet of windlace for the headliner. He went out to the parts car and ripped open part of that head liner and it also was stapled to a wood trim under the metal trim. Why are companies that sell headliners telling you that you need to also purchase windlace?
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I know what you are thinking...... "What the hell is this a picture of"? It is my pool table. My interior for the 64 Continental has been sitting on top of it since May of 2018. I finally have gotten to take it to the shop. I am still being held hostage at Hot Bodz and Custom Rodz in Lewiston Idaho. Can some one please get a hold of the appropriate authorities to come save me?
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I am surprised by the wood that the headliner is nailed to. But I have not done the headliner on my prior 65 sedans. I am looking forward to the photos of your interior when finished.
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I am still being held hostage by the shop, but I am negotiating a way out of this mess. This involves me going in every week and we write 1 thing down for the shop to complete before the next weeks visit. This is the last option before I have my Lawyer get involved. Door panels are finally getting mounted. The air ride tank and controls had to be remounted to make room for the Isotope spare tire. I remember when I bought my Isotope rims on the first production run 3 years ago. Now I see them everywhere and mine still have not hit the road.... What a mess.
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The custom door panels that match the seats look great. Hopefully your plan of one thing done per visit works.
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Thanks Mr. DeFrang. I have dreamed of coming to your area and we cruise around with other Lincolns. Seems Florida and Cal have all the fun and not much happens in our neck of the woods. Then again if there were things happening I would only be left out and even more mad at the shop.
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Dude I feel your pain. I got screwed by the shop I punted to for paint and eventually was lucky to get the car with their shiny but screwed up work back before they dissolved their LLC and mostly vanished.
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AAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! Sorry, had to let that out. Quick question about something the shop has done that has me very concerned. The shop has put a 105 amp alternator in the Continental. I have tried to search and find out if this larger amperage is going to start causing problems in the car or start a fire. The shop says they did it so that the air ride system doesn't overload the older alternator ........ HELP????? If every thing is ok, well I guess I have a working stock 30 amp alternator for sale.
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Should be OK.

The alternator output connection goes to the battery via a starter relay stud. That factory cable was 4 gauge (or smaller) cable. And it if it original it is getting close to 60 years old. Since it will be stranded, some strands may be broken and who knows about the insulation. Broken strands reduce the amount of current that cable will allow to be passed through. If it were me, I would move up to a 2 gauge even though it will be a bit stiff (an a pain in the butt) to bend around things. You can get it in nearly any color you want.
I have a Mark III that the cable to the starter runs very close to the right exhaust manifold. I wrapped that cable with an addition heat wrap cover before I crimped my ends.

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Thanks! I will try and film me asking the mechanic about it and making the suggestion you made. Will also list it on our weekly sign sheet. It has been such a nightmare. If not for this forum so many of us would be lost. I have tried so many times to get the shop to use the resources here. I even bought the online manual from here and I doubt the shop has ever used it.
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Just for kicks and giggles -

Here is a chart from the net speaking to amp load for specific cable sizes using stranded copper cable
http://www.ee.nmt.edu/~wedeward/EE382/S ... pacity.pdf

The above assumes bench test conditions, (not real world) a given test temperature, zero damage to strands and insulation. And length can be a factor.

The run from the alternator to the starter relay isn't that long. (At least not for my '66) If it is possible to push 105 amps in that cable run, I would want a cable that can handle that plus say about 20%. 105 x 120% = 126 amps. The 4 gauge comes a little short on load capacity in my opinion.

For the cable to the starter the amp load is considerably greater. Up to 200 or more amps. Which is why I moved from the factory 4 gauge cable to a 0 gauge cable to the starter. I had mine made from a website in black with the correct ends. Then I got a thermal wrap to insulate it more. Again in black. Since the factory cable to the starter is black, the casual observer will not notice the difference. (Except it is a thicker cable) But on a hot soak start up, it has made a difference on turning over my 385 big block engines. It is part of a solution for that particular problem.

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We are getting so close to the car being out of the shop. Shop is still working on A/C not blowing strong. They put in new fan, replaced a vacuum motor controling one of the "flaps" but still not getting good air flow. Thoughts??? Ended up having to add aluminum radiator due to over heating at idle, but seems to be cured of that now. Here is a couple of links to quick vids of the car coming together. :dance: :clap: :dance:

https://youtu.be/fB-9hAphfqk

https://youtu.be/KOYtfViDKaQ
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???? DOES THIS REMIND ANYBODY ABOUT THEIR FIRST DRIVE IN THEIR CONTINENTAL ???? OR IS IT JUST ME ????

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Finally home with the 64 Continental. Still needs to go back to the shop to finish things on the original bid list, but at least I have gotten to drive it. I still will never understand why the shop did NOT utilize the vast knowledge of this forum, or use the rebuild/repair specialists in the "Usual Suspects" page. Right now the biggest problem we are having is no real air flow from the a/c. The shop has put in a new fan and also put in a couple of the vacuum doors that control the airflow. Fan runs fast, but seems to be hitting a blockage of some sort. I wondered if there could be a rats nest, but there is no "smell" that comes from such a thing.

I have 1 more question that I will ask and that is "what is normal operating temp of the 430 mel engine in a 64 Continental"? The shop claims to have put in a new thermostat which is 190 degrees. Shop also confirmed that the "mini" thermos are NOT present and must have been taken out at some time and knows this from inspection of the water pump. Car has an aftermarket gauge and runs a consistent 200-225 degrees with an aluminum radiator and new clutch fan. Ambient temp in my area is always close to 100 degrees give or take. Will continue search on forum about this issue but know there are the experts that can quickly answer the question. This is my first classic and have no idea what is normal when it comes to these things.

Link to the last vid I took of the car once I got it home.

https://youtu.be/G_QUzct81xg
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Nice you got the project home, at least. I see somebody installed a '63 grille on it. It does look good, save for the gap where there was a lip on the '63 setup. But only persnickety experts like me would notice that.

As for the blower issue, I have some input based on recent experience. First, I doubt you have a rat's nest in there knocking on the blower. Any shop that would replace the blower would spot that, and they would be criminally remiss to just leave it there. I believe the blower's blade assembly is knocking against the casing. There is very little clearance inside the casing for the blade assembly (or drum), meaning that proper adjustment of the blade on the blower motor is critical. The shop likely knew about the banging but got too impatient to tweak the blade drum on the shaft to eliminate that knocking. You'll have to do that yourself. It's a time-consuming, involved job; but once properly done you won't have to do it again. The blade drum is held in place by an Allen screw, so you need the right size of Allen wrench to loosen it. The drum can then be shifted fore or aft on the shaft; whether you need to go fore or aft, that's the $64 question. You just need to make several attempts at adjusting it right to the sweet spot where it doesn't touch anything when secured in the casing.

You'll want to address that in short order. Continued knocking could rip off material from the casing and even cause the blade drum to jam on the spot it damaged...and a jammed fan will burn that new motor out really fast.

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