Follow my 430 rebuild adventure

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Fine59 I got the part number??? off the manifold in the picture. E8G8425-A is what it looks like and that number indicates the Ford series car. The right part number for your car is C1JE9424A so if that number isn't on the intake then it's been changed. If you can get the block numbers I can look that up and see if it's the original engine. The block number is on the passenger side of the block right out at the front side under the exhaust manifold and the numbers may be up side down. As for the things in the picture that looks like some kind of solenoid but I've never seen one like that before. I'll look in my service manuals and see if I can find out what that is. May be for cruise control which was an option these years but not sure. I say that because it looks to be part of the accelerator linkage. Pete.
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Very interesting Pete. The engine builder has my motor, but I will take a look when I get it back. That rheostat thingy on the accelerator rod really has me stumped, so I’ll be interested if you find anything out
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Guessing.

Is it a crude form of speed control?
Or really throttle position control lock or ???

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So here was today’s project. I’ve started trying to clean the engine bay. I started with a brand new sand blaster from Harbor Freight, but after one use, it stopped working, so I pulled out the ole wire wheel. This is going to take some time. I would like to have the local body shop paint the engine bay, but they are so busy, they say the only way they will do it is if I Have everything removed and the engine bay clean. They will scuff and spray it.
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So I spent most of today removing items from the engine bay and taping up things that I do not want painted. I think it would be better if I just removed the heater hoses from the engine compartment, but my question is...how hard is it to get to the heater core end of these hoses? I also really don’t want to remove the brake booster, so I think I’ll bag it.
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Have to remove the splash shields inside the wheelwells, heater cores are behind them, on both sides.

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So I was cleaning and grinding away on my engine bay in preparation of paint and came across this potential problem. I can’t tell if this was a flaw at the factory, an old repair, or a crack that has not yet been repaired, but there looks to be a broken piece in the frame where my passenger side motor mounts bolts up. It seems pretty tight in there, but I can’t see evidence of a weld repair. Should I have this tack welded while the motor is out to make sure? It hasn’t been giving me any problems.
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Fine59 wrote:So I was cleaning and grinding away on my engine bay in preparation of paint and came across this potential problem. I can’t tell if this was a flaw at the factory, an old repair, or a crack that has not yet been repaired, but there looks to be a broken piece in the frame where my passenger side motor mounts bolts up. It seems pretty tight in there, but I can’t see evidence of a weld repair. Should I have this tack welded while the motor is out to make sure? It hasn’t been giving me any problems.
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If that's where the motor mount bolts up you must have it welded. Don't even think of putting the mount back in until those cracks are fixed. Also check around the mount frame and make sure there are no more cracks On both sides too. If a motor mount breaks,especially the drivers side. the torque will raise up the side of the engine and bind the accelerator linkage wide open. If that happens you best hope there is a mile of open road with nothing on it in front of you because the car will go that far before you can reach down and turn the key off. Your car is a lot faster than you think.
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bagged59 wrote:Have to remove the splash shields inside the wheelwells, heater cores are behind them, on both sides.

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Paul is right on this Fine59. You can remove the shields (right behind each front tire) and then remove the hoses. Good time to do this too and replace the hoses with new ones. After I got my engine back in my 60 and got it on the road the hose on the drivers side started leaking up under the fender and it was some job to fix. There is a heater coil on both sides of the front end behind both front wheels so replace them both with new hose and get the good stuff too. Not a place to try and save a few bucks.
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norgale wrote:Fine59 I got the part number??? off the manifold in the picture. E8G8425-A is what it looks like and that number indicates the Ford series car. The right part number for your car is C1JE9424A so if that number isn't on the intake then it's been changed. If you can get the block numbers I can look that up and see if it's the original engine. The block number is on the passenger side of the block right out at the front side under the exhaust manifold and the numbers may be up side down. As for the things in the picture that looks like some kind of solenoid but I've never seen one like that before. I'll look in my service manuals and see if I can find out what that is. May be for cruise control which was an option these years but not sure. I say that because it looks to be part of the accelerator linkage. Pete.
I have a 58 and 60 service manual from Ford and no where does it show anything like what you have on your linkage. Don't have a 59 book but it seems like one of them would have that part in it. Anyway the parts book says that the block part number for your car is B9LE6009A. You'll find the number on the right front side of the block (Pass side) and as I said it may be upside down. Also the book shows a listing of block casting numbers. Yours should be EDG6015 ( '58-64 ) If the number is different let me know and I'll look it up or you. That would mean that the whole engine had been changed somewhere along the line. These engines were made by Mercury and were used in the Mercs and the Lincolns and some T-Birds. I could not imagine a little Tbird with that kind of power in it. It would be awesome to drive. :clap:
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Could it just be someone's rigged solution to rev the idle up during warm up? I know old farm tractors often had a manual throttle which was used when they were started cold to keep em running until they warmed up. Totally a guess. I've never seen that as an OEM solution on a passenger car of the 50s-60s. I tend to disbelieve that your 59 has an OEM intake that accepts a 4 BBL carb, but I am wrong often enough on some things car related to prevent me from saying so with conviction.
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norgale wrote:
bagged59 wrote:Have to remove the splash shields inside the wheelwells, heater cores are behind them, on both sides.

Paul
Paul is right on this Fine59. You can remove the shields (right behind each front tire) and then remove the hoses. Good time to do this too and replace the hoses with new ones. After I got my engine back in my 60 and got it on the road the hose on the drivers side started leaking up under the fender and it was some job to fix. There is a heater coil on both sides of the front end behind both front wheels so replace them both with new hose and get the good stuff too. Not a place to try and save a few bucks.
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Good to hear it's still on the way so to speak. It looked great the last time I saw it but that was a while ago.
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So here are today’s pictures. This is a long, hard tedious process. I have taken just about everything off on this car that I’m going to take off.
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The battery had leaked or exploded at some point and completely rusted the battery tray out. It was like hell getting the bolts out and the battery tray out. Thankfully, the acid had not eaten through the inner fender, but there was a good amount of surface rust.
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While sanding my fingers to the nub, I also discovered paint runs, but it looks like the motor has never been out of this car. Is it possible that during assembly, they didn’t spend as much finishing the paint in the engine bay?
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Runs in the engine bay would not be as likely to be noticed once the motor is in. The factory may not have made any attempts to fix or do a better job.
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