Taking engine out of 1962
-
- Frequent Contributor
- Posts: 186
- Joined: Sat May 30, 2015 7:41 pm
- Contact:
Taking engine out of 1962
I have been reading all the forums and appreciate all the great photos, tips and information. Also thanks to Dans for help with information and parts. I am going to be removing the engine and replacing the valve seats and all the gaskets from above the head. All the top end gaskets are junk and leaking. Cars runs great with no smoke but leaking oil at all gaskets. I decided to do this because this will allow me to paint the engine compartment and replace hard to get to items. I think I am in over my head but what better way to get to know your car. Also what the best way to get engine out. Remove bottom engine bolts, unbolts exhaust pipes from manifold and unbolt transmission from engine.
So far I have on list to do when engine is out. what else should be done. thanks for all the help. Also I am labeling all the hoses and bagging all the parts and bolts.
Shift link busing-waiting to be installed
time chain and gears- Done
all above head gaskets- waiting to be installed
valve seats- waiting to be installed
exhaust manifold gaskets= waiting to be installed
center link.drag link- waiting to be installed
oil pump-waiting to be installed
So far I have on list to do when engine is out. what else should be done. thanks for all the help. Also I am labeling all the hoses and bagging all the parts and bolts.
Shift link busing-waiting to be installed
time chain and gears- Done
all above head gaskets- waiting to be installed
valve seats- waiting to be installed
exhaust manifold gaskets= waiting to be installed
center link.drag link- waiting to be installed
oil pump-waiting to be installed
1962 Lincoln bagged
- jdk64slab
- Frequent Contributor
- Posts: 246
- Joined: Tue Jan 02, 2007 10:45 pm
- Location: Grand Rapids, MI
- Contact:
Re: Taking engine out of 1962
Here is a link to a post I had back in 2010 when I asked the same thing. A lot of advice on what should be done while the engine is out. Username "ScottandStephanie" had great advice somewhere down in this thread. Hope it helps.
http://www.thelincolnforum.net/phpbb3/v ... 38&t=33327
http://www.thelincolnforum.net/phpbb3/v ... 38&t=33327
-
- Frequent Contributor
- Posts: 186
- Joined: Sat May 30, 2015 7:41 pm
- Contact:
Re: Taking engine out of 1962
Thanks for the information jdk. There are so many things that could be done but need time and money!
1962 Lincoln bagged
- 65desperado
- Lincoln Maniac
- Posts: 253
- Joined: Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:40 pm
- Location: north shore of vancouver, bc
- Contact:
Re: Taking engine out of 1962
I actually enjoyed taking the engine out, like you say it gives you great access to the engine bay to clean things up. In my case the transmission needed a full rebuild anyway. I disconnected and dropped the tranny first then took the engine out, well my wife helped me.
If you click on my signature line thread there are some pics of it coming out.
If you click on my signature line thread there are some pics of it coming out.
Wade
1965 Lincoln Continental Sedan
1965 Factory Five Cobra Roadster
1977 Ford F150 4x4 Shortbox, 1994 Ford F150 4x4 Shortbox, 2011 Silverado
My Thread in Member Projects
1965 Lincoln Continental Sedan
1965 Factory Five Cobra Roadster
1977 Ford F150 4x4 Shortbox, 1994 Ford F150 4x4 Shortbox, 2011 Silverado
My Thread in Member Projects
- Dan Szwarc
- Site Admin
- Posts: 29834
- Joined: Fri Jun 16, 2000 1:01 am
- Contact:
Re: Taking engine out of 1962
And take pictures of EVERYTHING. Whatever you do, you will not have enough pictures. Try to have a picture of every bolt, nut, routing, clamp, bracket, etc.jdk64slab wrote:Here is a link to a post I had back in 2010 when I asked the same thing. A lot of advice on what should be done while the engine is out. Username "ScottandStephanie" had great advice somewhere down in this thread. Hope it helps.
http://www.thelincolnforum.net/phpbb3/v ... 38&t=33327
The below links are mostly dead.
Dan Szwarc: 1966 Convertible
Shop Manual or MPCs available
Signature rules.
Help the forum for 2024.
Dan Szwarc: 1966 Convertible
Shop Manual or MPCs available
Signature rules.
Help the forum for 2024.
-
- Frequent Contributor
- Posts: 186
- Joined: Sat May 30, 2015 7:41 pm
- Contact:
Re: Taking engine out of 1962
update. Got engine out of car and lets say that was a pain in the ass. Had to remove battery tray, horns and the starter got stuck after removing the bolts and thought it was out of way. I also forgot to support the transmission when removing the engine. I hope I didn't damage it. I have an jack supporting it right now. I am trying to figure out how to get the torque converter off so I can put the engine on the engine stand. I read threads just saying slide it off but it will not budge.
1962 Lincoln bagged
- Dan Szwarc
- Site Admin
- Posts: 29834
- Joined: Fri Jun 16, 2000 1:01 am
- Contact:
Re: Taking engine out of 1962
Torque converter is held to fly wheel by four nuts on the engine side. Then it will fall off.
The below links are mostly dead.
Dan Szwarc: 1966 Convertible
Shop Manual or MPCs available
Signature rules.
Help the forum for 2024.
Dan Szwarc: 1966 Convertible
Shop Manual or MPCs available
Signature rules.
Help the forum for 2024.
-
- Frequent Contributor
- Posts: 186
- Joined: Sat May 30, 2015 7:41 pm
- Contact:
Re: Taking engine out of 1962
thanks Dan Do I have to mark any thing on the fly wheel or converts referencing where it was when I took it off? This engine is a beast and scary heavy lol
1962 Lincoln bagged
-
- Frequent Contributor
- Posts: 186
- Joined: Sat May 30, 2015 7:41 pm
- Contact:
Re: Taking engine out of 1962
Also what is a good bolt length for the engine stand? thanks
1962 Lincoln bagged
- Dan Szwarc
- Site Admin
- Posts: 29834
- Joined: Fri Jun 16, 2000 1:01 am
- Contact:
Re: Taking engine out of 1962
Torque converter is not keyed to the flywheel in any way. You can mark it if you want just to be consistent. Take pictures. Nope, that's not enough. Take more.
Bolts should be As long as possible. You don't want that engine falling off the stand.
Stick a screwdriver into the block holes you plan on using and buy bolts long enough to fit most of the way through the stand and in without bottoming out. If they bottom out, add washers.
The engine and heads is one of the heaviest ever built for a passenger car. 750lbs or something like that. Be careful.
Bolts should be As long as possible. You don't want that engine falling off the stand.
Stick a screwdriver into the block holes you plan on using and buy bolts long enough to fit most of the way through the stand and in without bottoming out. If they bottom out, add washers.
The engine and heads is one of the heaviest ever built for a passenger car. 750lbs or something like that. Be careful.
The below links are mostly dead.
Dan Szwarc: 1966 Convertible
Shop Manual or MPCs available
Signature rules.
Help the forum for 2024.
Dan Szwarc: 1966 Convertible
Shop Manual or MPCs available
Signature rules.
Help the forum for 2024.
-
- Frequent Contributor
- Posts: 186
- Joined: Sat May 30, 2015 7:41 pm
- Contact:
Re: Taking engine out of 1962
Ok guys. I have been working when I have time. Found out a couple of things like don't try and put this engine on a 1000 lbs engine stand. It bent and almost broke like a Popsicle stick. they let me exchange it for a 2000 lbs engine stand. Thats holding it just fine but hard to turn. I have taken oil pan off and found no pieces of or metal in it. A lot of dirty oil. I also got the exhaust manifold off and would like to have them machined flat and powder coated black. Would the powder coat stand up to the head on the manifolds? I found that the is a small crack where the black on the exhaust manifold meet. Will that cause and issue? I also got the torque converter off and fly wheel. What are the recordation to do with these items. I will keep update of my slow progress and if anyone have recommendation my ears are open.
Torque converter does it need anything done to it?
Exhaust manifolds can the be powder coated and should they be machined flat?
Does the rust have to be cleaning off the flywheel and is it worth painting? what to look for on them?
I am going to remove my distributor. should I have the engine top dead center when doing this and is there away to mark it for easy reinstall?
I am going to redo the head gaskets , intake and exhaust valves, push rods, valve springs, valve lifters and valve seats anything else while I am in there. Going to clean all the oil off block and paint with engine paint.
what are the little small circle with a bolt in them. Are they freeze plugs or engine plugs?
Also where to go to get water pump rebuilt
where to goto get power steering rebuilt
Torque converter does it need anything done to it?
Exhaust manifolds can the be powder coated and should they be machined flat?
Does the rust have to be cleaning off the flywheel and is it worth painting? what to look for on them?
I am going to remove my distributor. should I have the engine top dead center when doing this and is there away to mark it for easy reinstall?
I am going to redo the head gaskets , intake and exhaust valves, push rods, valve springs, valve lifters and valve seats anything else while I am in there. Going to clean all the oil off block and paint with engine paint.
what are the little small circle with a bolt in them. Are they freeze plugs or engine plugs?
Also where to go to get water pump rebuilt
where to goto get power steering rebuilt
1962 Lincoln bagged
Re: Taking engine out of 1962
Replace all freeze plugs. With the heads off and freeze plugs out you'll have a great opportunity to clean up the galleries. Expect to find coolant still trapped in the block.
Chase the threads for the block coolant drain with a tap while the engine is out.
Machine exhaust manifolds, use new studs and brass or copper nuts. That crack doesn't look fatal to me. Probably close enough to impossible to weld that you're better off leaving it alone. The nuts and studs do not use very high torque so I doubt that ear will break during reassembly. Cast iron cracks are not trivial to weld. Definitely do not let anyone who has never done it before use your hardware to learn. If they've done it before then they'll know that only someone who literally has X-ray vision can predict how the repair will go because you cannot see the stress risers or micro fractures. So since that is not a gas sealing area my vote would be to leave it the hell alone.
Carefully check the exhaust manifolds themselves though. Mine had cracks that were not really visible until after they'd been blasted clean. Fortunately you can get new ones.
Regular powder coat will not survive on the exhaust manifolds, but the ceramic powder coat will. I have black ceramic powder coat on my exhaust manifolds and it is a semi-matte finish. It looks great. It is coated on the inside of the manifolds as well so that condensation won't cause rust seepage over time. I used regular semi-gloss black on my valley pan and intake manifold, no temperature issues there. The ceramic coating is a bit easier to scuff than regular powder coat FYI.
Keep in mind that if you fiddle with the valves you may need to get new pushrods. Keep the rods labeled/in order during disassembly so you can put them back in the exact same place.
A beefier oil pump drive shaft is available aftermarket
Chase the threads for the block coolant drain with a tap while the engine is out.
Machine exhaust manifolds, use new studs and brass or copper nuts. That crack doesn't look fatal to me. Probably close enough to impossible to weld that you're better off leaving it alone. The nuts and studs do not use very high torque so I doubt that ear will break during reassembly. Cast iron cracks are not trivial to weld. Definitely do not let anyone who has never done it before use your hardware to learn. If they've done it before then they'll know that only someone who literally has X-ray vision can predict how the repair will go because you cannot see the stress risers or micro fractures. So since that is not a gas sealing area my vote would be to leave it the hell alone.
Carefully check the exhaust manifolds themselves though. Mine had cracks that were not really visible until after they'd been blasted clean. Fortunately you can get new ones.
Regular powder coat will not survive on the exhaust manifolds, but the ceramic powder coat will. I have black ceramic powder coat on my exhaust manifolds and it is a semi-matte finish. It looks great. It is coated on the inside of the manifolds as well so that condensation won't cause rust seepage over time. I used regular semi-gloss black on my valley pan and intake manifold, no temperature issues there. The ceramic coating is a bit easier to scuff than regular powder coat FYI.
Keep in mind that if you fiddle with the valves you may need to get new pushrods. Keep the rods labeled/in order during disassembly so you can put them back in the exact same place.
A beefier oil pump drive shaft is available aftermarket
Re: Taking engine out of 1962
Make sure that oil pump is primed before you drop that engine back into the car! It was my biggest mistake and I ended up taking it to a shop to finish the work. I'd make sure oil is flowing through with distributor on before dropping it in, just my 2 cents.
Lee
- Dan Szwarc
- Site Admin
- Posts: 29834
- Joined: Fri Jun 16, 2000 1:01 am
- Contact:
Re: Taking engine out of 1962
Yup. First lesson learned is that 1000lb stands are for 400lb engines, not 750lb engines.Newchapters wrote:Ok guys. I have been working when I have time. Found out a couple of things like don't try and put this engine on a 1000 lbs engine stand. It bent and almost broke like a Popsicle stick. they let me exchange it for a 2000 lbs engine stand.
It's because of the sheer weight and the lack of a decent bearing surface upon which to rotate. Normal.Thats holding it just fine but hard to turn.
That's a good sign. The oil is typical if the car has not been running newer, modern detergent oils. Mine was clean as a whistle inside in 2006 at 90,000 miles.I have taken oil pan off and found no pieces of or metal in it. A lot of dirty oil.
Regular powder might not, but high temp powder will. I recommend cast iron grey instead of black for that "brand new" manifold look, but to each his own. Definitely have the mating surfaces machined.I also got the exhaust manifold off and would like to have them machined flat and powder coated black. Would the powder coat stand up to the head on the manifolds?
Yes, it will. Broken ears are common on this head design. I recommend you replace the head unless you can find a shop that can do a repair. The iron is soft and not a very good material for welding.I found that the is a small crack where the black on the exhaust manifold meet. Will that cause and issue?
Now is the time to replace the TC and have the transmission completely rebuilt and gone through by a good shop you can trust. Save and clean the filter. You will not be able to find a replacement for a good price.I also got the torque converter off and fly wheel. What are the recordation to do with these items. I will keep update of my slow progress and if anyone have recommendation my ears are open.
Torque converter does it need anything done to it?
Check the flywheel for cracks and broken teeth. If OK, reuse it.
Yes and yes.Exhaust manifolds can the be powder coated and should they be machined flat?
No and No. Cracks and broken teeth.Does the rust have to be cleaning off the flywheel and is it worth painting? what to look for on them?
Yes and take a picture of the position of the rotor with respect to the engine and dizzy base/housing.I am going to remove my distributor. should I have the engine top dead center when doing this and is there away to mark it for easy reinstall?
Flush out the cooling galleys and replace the freeze plugs and drain plug (noted above).I am going to redo the head gaskets , intake and exhaust valves, push rods, valve springs, valve lifters and valve seats anything else while I am in there.
what are the little small circle with a bolt in them. Are they freeze plugs or engine plugs?Going to clean all the oil off block and paint with engine paint.
Also where to go to get water pump rebuilt
look for a rebuilder locally. Call around.where to goto get power steering rebuilt
The below links are mostly dead.
Dan Szwarc: 1966 Convertible
Shop Manual or MPCs available
Signature rules.
Help the forum for 2024.
Dan Szwarc: 1966 Convertible
Shop Manual or MPCs available
Signature rules.
Help the forum for 2024.
- 65desperado
- Lincoln Maniac
- Posts: 253
- Joined: Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:40 pm
- Location: north shore of vancouver, bc
- Contact:
Oil Pump Screen
Don't forget to clean the screen on the oil pump pickup. I tried everything on mine ... soaking in gasoline, paint thinner etc and chunks of scale kept falling out. So, I gently pried around the lip to pop the screen off and then you can get in there. When you're done gently form it around again.
Wade
1965 Lincoln Continental Sedan
1965 Factory Five Cobra Roadster
1977 Ford F150 4x4 Shortbox, 1994 Ford F150 4x4 Shortbox, 2011 Silverado
My Thread in Member Projects
1965 Lincoln Continental Sedan
1965 Factory Five Cobra Roadster
1977 Ford F150 4x4 Shortbox, 1994 Ford F150 4x4 Shortbox, 2011 Silverado
My Thread in Member Projects
Who is online
Users browsing this forum: Semrush [Bot] and 1 guest