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1965 power window replacemnt gear

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Has anyone used the window regular replacement gear p/n WO-GE65-69C that Lincoln Land sells for the front power windows ?
If so, is it a direct drop in replacement for the OEM gear which is two piece with a rubber center that connects the outer gear to the 9 tooth gear. The rubber center on my car has sheared causing the window to slip going up and down. I see that Dorman offers two kits p/n 747-411 and 747-412 but according to the Dorman website they are not for the 65 models. There's a YouTube video using one of those kits but from what I saw it does not fit correctly and requires that the gear case cover be left off which I don't want to do.
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What you want is the Auveco 17974 Spring loaded 9-tooth gear.

It's 9-tooth and my box says it's for 1964 and up and is Ford PN D0AZ-62 234-A24 (but I doubt the A24 is correct).

MacsAutoParts.com has it for $20: Link

Here's a pic of what you are trying to buy.
Spring loaded window gear.
Spring loaded window gear.
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Shop around for the best price, supplier, etc. I've heard that these are no longer made, etc.
I've used Macs and I trust them. They are HUGE for Ford parts and a good source for a LOT of things.
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Dan,

Website as of tonight or early Monday morning says they are in stock and ready to ship to their distributors ... https://www.auveco.com/ford-window-lift ... gear-17974.

Second look says it looks like a new design with plastic roller replacing the springs.
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The plastic roller version was used in the 70s and 80s (maybe later) by Ford.

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The plastic bushing design is inferior and what was used in production. It’s better than nothing and will probably last another 40 years, though. At least parts are available.
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My 65's regulator gearbox has a cover that's attached with 3 screws, 120 degrees apart. I watched a video on YouTube showing a regulator repair with the newer plastic gear with the 3 bushings and the guy in the video said that the gear was a little taller and the cover would not go on without binding on the gear so he left the cover off. There are many of actual Ford replacement gears for sale on ebay and other Ford specialist websites. They all have the similar part main numbers #62234A24-B, but various prefixes such as D0AZ, C9AZ, etc. II know the prefix has a relationship to a date code but I don't know that the versions are interchangeable. I believe Dorman also makes a Ford replacement but the gear case cover on some of these Ford parts and the Dorman has 4 screws spaced 90 degrees apart so that won't work on my car. Lincoln Land shows a gear so rather than take a chance I ordered a gear from them. The newer style with the 3 nylon bushings at least is easily repairable by simply replacing the bushings. Just as an side note my 1989 Chrysler LeBaron convertible with the flip down door headlights uses the same 3 bushing gear in the headlight door motor. When the doors started not closing all the way I had to replace the same bushings. At the time I got them from Dorman "HELP" parts at the local Pep Boys store.
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George,
Just my opinion, as a 65 owner that works on my car whenever I think I am able: Patti at LincolnLand , John Cashman, John Brewer, maybe a reincarnated Wanda at BakersAuto, are available by phone and have parts that fit. Yes they are more expensive than the RockAutos. But their knowledge & experience almost guarantees it fits/works. I have always done the windows/switches removal/install by myself on 3 65s. I have come to think of them as friends not vendors. My windows work, I learn something in the process. Sometimes painful, but always rewarding.
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Is Wanda still on the phone? Wayne
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I've been supporting the Lincoln specialty vendors as much as I can. I value their knowledge and their willingness to answer questions. I've talked, worked with and purchased parts now from Lincoln Land, John Brewer and John Cashman. All of them have been extremely helpful. I've also purchased a couple of items from Old Car Clearance, which I understand is what's left of Bakers but I haven't had the need to speak to anyone there yet. While I'm a newbie with my 65, I've found this Forum, the vendors and Nathan Wilson's and John Cashman's videos to be invaluable in getting my car in tip top shape. It's not there yet but I'm making progress ! I'm sure I'll be making some future purchases from some of the other Lincoln specialty vendors as I work my way through my punch list, which seems to be getting longer, not shorter !
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George, I didn't mean to imply that you weren't using the usual Lincoln vendors. Just that the window regulators, gears etc are best with original parts. Which are what the experts like Cashman use. Maybe others have got working windows with newly made aftermarket type parts and motors etc, but probably not going to believe it until I see it.

Wayne, I am not sure about Wanda because I have not called or ordered from the new version of Bakers. I usually looked at their online catalog and called. I have only talked to and emailed Wanda at Bakers. Not sure if she is there or not? She was knowledgeable and helpful.
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Being the troglodyte that I am, I always called. Always very polite (most of the time) I think I remember a thread here somewhere where someone didn't have a positive experience with her. Sometimes, it used to be that Steve would pick up. And before that, Ron...I'm too old. Wayne
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Robert, My preference is to use OEM parts whenever possible as well. It seems that Ford changed the design of these window motor gears over the years. The basic part number seems the same but there's various prefixes. I've never seen a gear quite like the one that I have. The inner and outer sections are connected with a solid rubber core. Looks like urethane. The core ripped allowing slippage so the window would skip and need help going up and down. I expect the replacement from LL to arrive any day so as long as it fits properly I'm sure it will work fine. So far the other three windows in the car are operating perfectly.
I guess I'll know soon enough !
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The replacement gear(s) came in today from LL. IThey appear to be of high quality and it's the type with the 3 nylon bushings which at least makes it serviceable though I doubt I'll ever need to fix this again in my lifetime. :) I ordered a spare in case another window goes out, but so far the other three windows seem to go up and down just fine. The new gear fit perfectly with no clearance issues. I got the finger eater regulator back together and greased up tonight and tomorrow I'll put it all back together. Hopefully this will go smoothly as I'm not particularly fond of working on window mechanisms and adjustments.
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Dan Szwarc wrote:What you want is the Auveco 17974 Spring loaded 9-tooth gear.

It's 9-tooth and my box says it's for 1964 and up and is Ford PN D0AZ-62 234-A24 (but I doubt the A24 is correct).

MacsAutoParts.com has it for $20: Link

Here's a pic of what you are trying to buy.
64-48058.jpg
Shop around for the best price, supplier, etc. I've heard that these are no longer made, etc.
I've used Macs and I trust them. They are HUGE for Ford parts and a good source for a LOT of things.
I'm bumping this thread, and Dan's above post in particular, because I recently placed an order directly with a supplier of the Auveco gear (https://autofastenersandclips.com/) for a replacement to go on my left-rear window. The original gear had broken last month, and to keep the window from sagging down I did a makeshift patch-up job to it, drilling two opposing holes into the gear to press in cut pieces of coat-hanger wire to reinforce it, while I waited for the chance to submit an order for a replacement. Long story short, the replacement came today—and the gear is of exactly the design Dan posted! So, if this gear is in fact superior to the OE designs of Ford, that means the next time I take that window apart will be the last time...and I'm seriously thinking about submitting a follow-up order for three more, to make all four windows permanently operational.

---Tony

UPDATE, 15 January 2021: I put in my order for three more gears from the same Auveco supplier, and they were all exactly the same as the one I ordered last month—just like the one Dan pictured. With a complete set finally on hand, I put two of them in the rear windows yesterday and the day before, replacing the broken one in the left window and doing the right for good measure, as preventive repair/maintenance. They work just like they should, fit perfectly into the motors (which are original-original, might I add), and I'm confident that I will never have another breakage of motor gears in those windows again. I still have to do the front windows, but those aren't an immediate need; the front motors are easier to access than the rears are, so I have time to wait for better weather. Bottom line, for those who are in need of replacement window gears, go here: https://autofastenersandclips.com/ . Don't be misled by the picture the listing shows, which is of one of the three-dowel gears that are the bane of many a Ford owner well into the '90s. The actual gears you get will be of the 4-spring design pictured above. The part number as previously mentioned is 17974, and the cost is less than $20 per; they even take PayPal as a payment option. You can't get a better fix than this. I also recommend getting a couple of tubes of Motorcraft PTFE lubricant to use with the gears. Yes, axle grease can work, but I think the proper PTFE lubricant may be better. You can find suppliers of this on E-Bay; just do a search for "Motorcraft PTFE Lubricant."
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