Limited slip options for a '61?
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Limited slip options for a '61?
I have a '61 that has a 3 mile journey to get to pavement regularlly. I really want to do something to get better traction. What options do I have and what's recommended?
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Re: Limited slip options for a '61?
Well, with these cars, I will warn you that you cannot simply "drop in" a replacement from different makes, not without extensive and expensive modifications to the rest of the car.
Now, I am not certain whether "PosiTraction," GM's lexicon for limited-slip diffs, was yet available for Lincolns in that year. They (Ford, that is) just launched this new series and were still recovering from very expensive bad decisions in the prior decade. Your shop manual should confirm whether PosiTraction diffs were offered as an option.
But, unless someone says otherwise, even if Posi diffs were not available in '61, they were available every year afterward; and the complete axle units from '61 thru '65 should inter-swap with no complications. If you find an organ donor of that range of years that has a Posi diff on it (codes on the cars' warranty plates will confirm the axles they have), you should be golden.
I know the advantage of limited-slip over regular-slip which can make the option appealing, maybe even needed in some cases, such as yours. That said, I believe that Posi diffs are much more complicated, requiring special oil as opposed to readily-available 80/90 gear oil, needing regular inspection and maintenance far more often, and may be prone to overhauls more often. Those who have Posis are welcome to verify or refute my statement based on their own experiences; but I do think that to be the case, which could be why PosiTraction never replaced regular diffs as standard equipment, as, say, hydraulic brakes did with cable brakes.
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Now, I am not certain whether "PosiTraction," GM's lexicon for limited-slip diffs, was yet available for Lincolns in that year. They (Ford, that is) just launched this new series and were still recovering from very expensive bad decisions in the prior decade. Your shop manual should confirm whether PosiTraction diffs were offered as an option.
But, unless someone says otherwise, even if Posi diffs were not available in '61, they were available every year afterward; and the complete axle units from '61 thru '65 should inter-swap with no complications. If you find an organ donor of that range of years that has a Posi diff on it (codes on the cars' warranty plates will confirm the axles they have), you should be golden.
I know the advantage of limited-slip over regular-slip which can make the option appealing, maybe even needed in some cases, such as yours. That said, I believe that Posi diffs are much more complicated, requiring special oil as opposed to readily-available 80/90 gear oil, needing regular inspection and maintenance far more often, and may be prone to overhauls more often. Those who have Posis are welcome to verify or refute my statement based on their own experiences; but I do think that to be the case, which could be why PosiTraction never replaced regular diffs as standard equipment, as, say, hydraulic brakes did with cable brakes.
---Tony
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Re: Limited slip options for a '61?
My 61 convertible had the Equa-Lock differential and all was well until the day it wasn’t. When the gubbins within the diff ate itself, it was so much less expensive to replace the entire axle with open diff from a 61 sedan. I have not noticed any drivability differences, but then again it’s confined to paved city streets,
If memory serves, the Equa-Lock is indicated by the number 9 on the appropriate square on the build sheet.
If memory serves, the Equa-Lock is indicated by the number 9 on the appropriate square on the build sheet.
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Re: Limited slip options for a '61?
it sounds like the original limited slip diff is hard to source? Are there any successful axle swaps or recommendations? Maybe it would be easier to fab up a ford 9" than try and get the original Lincoln option working.
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Re: Limited slip options for a '61?
Before you think of cobbling, re-read my first post. It will be much easier and much cheaper to swap in an axle from an organ donor from '61 thru '65, though the hardest part is, admittedly, the hunt. Thinking more into it, it might even be possible to swap in an axle from the later '60s; though not correct, at least the axle flange should mate to the driveshaft with little-to-no mod needed...if there is enough free space down there for the beefier shell.
Many people get starry-eyed ideas of swapping in newer components into these cars, "just because" newer parts are easier to source, never thinking how much harder and costlier it always becomes to make such swaps...until they get in over their heads. These are not typical Fords, much less typical Chevys, thus are not receptive to just anything off the bat without extensive and expensive alterations involved. If you don't have the mad-scientist skills I (or outfits that do such conversions for a living) have, you don't want to even try that yourself. Now, can it be done? Of course; outfits like MobSteel ("Rides To Die For") do it regularly. But it's not a cheap venture; it will cost you five figures. Maybe, if you luck out, the first of those five may stay at only 1, but I can't promise that. They do make proper, drivable conversions, yes; but you need blessing from your rich aunt to pay for it.
If you decide to try graveyard-robbing first, which is my first suggestion, do the research first on the axle codes used by Lincoln in the '60s. I don't mean build sheets, sometimes they use different languages; I mean codes listed in the shop manuals of those years, which always match the codes on the cars' warranty plates, so you'll know when you find what you're hunting for.
---Tony
Many people get starry-eyed ideas of swapping in newer components into these cars, "just because" newer parts are easier to source, never thinking how much harder and costlier it always becomes to make such swaps...until they get in over their heads. These are not typical Fords, much less typical Chevys, thus are not receptive to just anything off the bat without extensive and expensive alterations involved. If you don't have the mad-scientist skills I (or outfits that do such conversions for a living) have, you don't want to even try that yourself. Now, can it be done? Of course; outfits like MobSteel ("Rides To Die For") do it regularly. But it's not a cheap venture; it will cost you five figures. Maybe, if you luck out, the first of those five may stay at only 1, but I can't promise that. They do make proper, drivable conversions, yes; but you need blessing from your rich aunt to pay for it.
If you decide to try graveyard-robbing first, which is my first suggestion, do the research first on the axle codes used by Lincoln in the '60s. I don't mean build sheets, sometimes they use different languages; I mean codes listed in the shop manuals of those years, which always match the codes on the cars' warranty plates, so you'll know when you find what you're hunting for.
---Tony
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Re: Limited slip options for a '61?
What are your tires like? If they're something special for old cars they usually aren't as good in the traction department as regular ones.
If you need limited slip regularly and for a good part of that 3 miles it'll wear out prematurely. You'd be better off finding a newer axle to use that parts are easier to come by.
If you need limited slip regularly and for a good part of that 3 miles it'll wear out prematurely. You'd be better off finding a newer axle to use that parts are easier to come by.
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Re: Limited slip options for a '61?
Tires aren't really the problem. When you hit a patch of deep sand, especially if you're at a complete stop (to let someone else go by for instance), you get a single wheel spinning. I do plan on looking at a/t wheels though. Might make for an interesting look.Mike wrote:What are your tires like? If they're something special for old cars they usually aren't as good in the traction department as regular ones.
If you need limited slip regularly and for a good part of that 3 miles it'll wear out prematurely. You'd be better off finding a newer axle to use that parts are easier to come by.
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Re: Limited slip options for a '61?
I'm not going to question the why of putting limited slip into a 61, but I know that companies make drop-in "pigs" as they call them for the Ford 9" axles which were used in the 70s and later Lincolns. I could have sworn that I read that the 9-2/8" ring gear in the 60s Lincolns was somewhat compatible with the 9" performance parts and axles.
Beyond that, I have little to offer except finding a forum where someone has already done it. Nobody here has.
Beyond that, I have little to offer except finding a forum where someone has already done it. Nobody here has.
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Re: Limited slip options for a '61?
These guys, or one of their shops near you, might be able to help. They built a 9" traction loc for me and did a fine job.
https://eastcoastgearsupply.com/c-61383 ... -ford.html
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Re: Limited slip options for a '61?
I can't help thinking a 9" from a 66 would fit. As for stock, my "62 parts car has a limited slip code, so I know they were available then, just don't know how common they were, and probably anything that age will need a refresh.
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