Other cars with same wheels as '61-63s?
Moderator: Dan Szwarc
-
- Occasional Visitor
- Posts: 43
- Joined: Sun Mar 28, 2010 5:53 pm
- Contact:
Other cars with same wheels as '61-63s?
Want to get an extra wheel for my '62 and was wondering beside the '61-63 Continentals if anything else had 14" wheels that would fit.
- Steve K
- Lincoln-ally Insane
- Posts: 2868
- Joined: Fri Apr 30, 2010 7:12 pm
- Location: San Antonio, Texas
- Contact:
Re: Other cars with same wheels as '61-63s?
I believe that any FOMOCO full size cars built between 1959 and 1965 ran on 14s with the same lug pattern. I know that before 1959 most full size Fords and Mercs ran on bigger rims.The Continental wrote:Want to get an extra wheel for my '62 and was wondering beside the '61-63 Continentals if anything else had 14" wheels that would fit.
2018 Lincoln Continental
1964 Lincoln Continental Sedan
1948 Mercury Town Sedan,
1959 Mercury Montclair
1964 Lincoln Continental Sedan
1948 Mercury Town Sedan,
1959 Mercury Montclair
Re: Other cars with same wheels as '61-63s?
Full size Fords of that era had a 5 x 4.5 bolt pattern, rather than the Lincoln 5x5. Wheels from a Lincoln from 64 and 65 were 15 inch, not 14 inch.
My interchange manual only lists 1961-3 Lincolns as replacements- they do not interchange to other cars. If you go to 15 inch, then you would have other options from GM cars.
My interchange manual only lists 1961-3 Lincolns as replacements- they do not interchange to other cars. If you go to 15 inch, then you would have other options from GM cars.
- Steve K
- Lincoln-ally Insane
- Posts: 2868
- Joined: Fri Apr 30, 2010 7:12 pm
- Location: San Antonio, Texas
- Contact:
Re: Other cars with same wheels as '61-63s?
Thanks Todd. I stand corrected. I better replace my spare with one that will fit. I am carrying around one I was told would fit, but it's from a Merctoddallen wrote:Full size Fords of that era had a 5 x 4.5 bolt pattern, rather than the Lincoln 5x5. Wheels from a Lincoln from 64 and 65 were 15 inch, not 14 inch.
My interchange manual only lists 1961-3 Lincolns as replacements- they do not interchange to other cars. If you go to 15 inch, then you would have other options from GM cars.
2018 Lincoln Continental
1964 Lincoln Continental Sedan
1948 Mercury Town Sedan,
1959 Mercury Montclair
1964 Lincoln Continental Sedan
1948 Mercury Town Sedan,
1959 Mercury Montclair
-
- Occasional Visitor
- Posts: 43
- Joined: Sun Mar 28, 2010 5:53 pm
- Contact:
Re: Other cars with same wheels as '61-63s?
Looks like I've got another reason to go ahead and buy that '62 parts car.
-
- Occasional Visitor
- Posts: 43
- Joined: Sun Mar 28, 2010 5:53 pm
- Contact:
Re: Other cars with same wheels as '61-63s?
So I've found out that there were some 5x5 14" wheels on GM BOP cars of the early 60s. Will the Lincoln hubcaps fit on those though?
Re: Other cars with same wheels as '61-63s?
My guess is no. I looked up these wheels in my Hollander interchange manual, which is a professional interchange manual used by wrecking yards (it is two books each the size of a phone book). My version covers all cars American cars from 1954 to 1966. The 62 Lincoln wheels do not list any matching interchange unless you change over to 15 inch wheels.So I've found out that there were some 5x5 14" wheels on GM BOP cars of the early 60s. Will the Lincoln hubcaps fit on those though?
Buick wheels in the 1960's as an example were 5 x 5.5 and 5 x 6.
Re: Other cars with same wheels as '61-63s?
Todd, Edumacate me on this.toddallen wrote:Buick wheels in the 1960's as an example were 5 x 5.5 and 5 x 6.
I've been under the impression that the biggest bolt circle was 5" for passenger cars.
Ford and Chrysler used 4.5 and 5, GM used 4.75 and 5.
For 5 lug wheels, Ford 1/2 ton trucks had 5.5" bolt circles.
When GM went to 5 lug trucks, they used the 5" diameter.
What and when were the 5.5 and 6 inch bolt circle diameters used?
Jim
Jim Freeh
Tidewater, VA.
64 Lincoln Convertible (bought in 74)
and lots of other cars...
Tidewater, VA.
64 Lincoln Convertible (bought in 74)
and lots of other cars...
Re: Other cars with same wheels as '61-63s?
If I look up in my book a Buick, Oldsmobile, or Pontiac in the years 61-3 the bolt pattern diameter is either 5.5 or 6"
Re: Other cars with same wheels as '61-63s?
Hmm. My second car was a 1963 Pontiac Bonneville and the wheels interchanged directly with a 1965 Pontiac Catalina. It was less expensive to buy the used tire/wheel set at the time, vice mounting and balancing on the original wheels. I don't recall an oddball diameter size, it was either the 4.75 (120.7mm) or the 5.0 (127.0mm) bolt circle. But then again, it has been over 40 years.....toddallen wrote:If I look up in my book a Buick, Oldsmobile, or Pontiac in the years 61-3 the bolt pattern diameter is either 5.5 or 6"
http://www.classiccollector.net/Pontiac ... tterns.htm
Buick
http://www.classiccollector.net/Buick_Bolt_Patterns.htm
Olds
http://www.classiccollector.net/Oldsmob ... tterns.htm
No mention of a 5.5 or 6 inch diameter.
Now I'm really curious, I've only encountered larger than 5 inch bolt circles on pickup trucks (5 bolt).
I'm also dismissing really old cars, as Ford and VW had big bolt circles when using the brake drum as the wheel hub.....
I'm wondering if the fitment you are finding was exclusive to a commercial chassis.
Jim
Jim Freeh
Tidewater, VA.
64 Lincoln Convertible (bought in 74)
and lots of other cars...
Tidewater, VA.
64 Lincoln Convertible (bought in 74)
and lots of other cars...
Re: Other cars with same wheels as '61-63s?
Going back to the original post question, another reason that the Lincoln wheels are unique is that they used a hubcentric design.
That is, centering of the wheel was performed by the wheel hub, which was machined to close tolerance to match the center opening of the wheel.
Too small a diameter for the wheel hub and even if the bolt circle matches, the wheel will not fit.
It was common practice at the time the center the wheel by using the 5 lug nuts. As you tightened the nuts, the taper would automatically center the wheel.
Mercedes has been using this hubcentric system since at least the fifties, and my Lincolns are the only other early example of this that I've come across.
Hubcentric is a much better way to guarantee wheel centering and subsequent balance.
You can fit a wheel with a larger diameter hub opening, but you lose the advantage of accurate centering.
Jim
That is, centering of the wheel was performed by the wheel hub, which was machined to close tolerance to match the center opening of the wheel.
Too small a diameter for the wheel hub and even if the bolt circle matches, the wheel will not fit.
It was common practice at the time the center the wheel by using the 5 lug nuts. As you tightened the nuts, the taper would automatically center the wheel.
Mercedes has been using this hubcentric system since at least the fifties, and my Lincolns are the only other early example of this that I've come across.
Hubcentric is a much better way to guarantee wheel centering and subsequent balance.
You can fit a wheel with a larger diameter hub opening, but you lose the advantage of accurate centering.
Jim
Jim Freeh
Tidewater, VA.
64 Lincoln Convertible (bought in 74)
and lots of other cars...
Tidewater, VA.
64 Lincoln Convertible (bought in 74)
and lots of other cars...
Re: Other cars with same wheels as '61-63s?
The Continental wrote:So I've found out that there were some 5x5 14" wheels on GM BOP cars of the early 60s. Will the Lincoln hubcaps fit on those though?
The issue is the wheel weights.
Lincolns (and Cadillacs) used wheel covers that gripped 360 degrees of the wheel.
These require a dropped wheel weight that places the weight approximately 1/2" closer to the wheel center.
Back in the seventies, we referred to these as Cadillac weights.
Jim
Jim Freeh
Tidewater, VA.
64 Lincoln Convertible (bought in 74)
and lots of other cars...
Tidewater, VA.
64 Lincoln Convertible (bought in 74)
and lots of other cars...
Re: Other cars with same wheels as '61-63s?
Jim, you may be correct on the bolt diameter on the early GM cars, my only reference is the Hollander manual, but is no guarantee it is correct. There are plenty of mistakes made in individual books.
Who is online
Users browsing this forum: TONY NZ 64 and 4 guests